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1.2.7. performance and predictions

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  • Fuel flow is a lot higher in v1.2.7

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Edited by spottersim

  • Author

Fix

FL plan / sim

Mach plan / sim

OAT plan / sim (°C)

TAS plan / sim (kt)

TAS from Mach + OAT (kt)

FF plan / sim (kg/h)

ΔFF

Time vs OFP (min)

Extra fuel used (kg)

BEALE

350 / 349

.84 / .849

−46 / −47

493 / 498

498

6,550 / 7,439

+13.6%

−0.6

+302

MLF

350 / 349

.84 / .849

−47 / −46

491 / 498

499

6,511 / 7,595

+16.6%

−0.7

+556

KU78S

370 / 371

.84 / .850

−48 / −48

491 / 496

497

6,608 / 6,985

+5.7%

−1.3

+949

KU03U

370 / 372

.84 / .851

−48 / −46

491 / 499

500

6,474 / 6,942

+7.2%

−1.6

+1,083

ISN

370 / 373

.84 / .849

−49 / −52

489 / 491

492

6,276 / 6,783

+8.1%

−1.6

+1,279

AMENU

370 / 373

.84 / .847

−53 / −54

485 / 488

489

6,136 / 6,547

+6.7%

−1.8

+1,504

POPLR

370 / 373

.84 / .846

−55 / −56

482 / 486

486

6,093 / 6,499

+6.7%

−2.0

+1,591

57N090W

370 / 369

.84 / .845

−57 / −58

480 / 482

483

6,002 / 6,260

+4.3%

−2.3

+1,803

PIDSO

390 / 375

.84 / .847

−48 / −48

489 / 495

495

5,842 / 6,358

+8.8%*

−4.2

+2,358

60N050W

390 / 373

.84 / .850

−48 / −48

491 / 497

497

5,896 / 6,342

+7.6%*

−4.5

+2,518

59N040W

390 / 371

.83 / .849

−46 / −44

490 / 500

501

5,739 / 6,346

+10.6%*

−5.1

+2,799

58N030W

390 / 371

.83 / .847

−44 / −44

490 / 499

500

5,705 / 6,367

+11.6%*

−5.5

+3,118

56N020W

390 / 377

.83 / .835

−47 / −52

486 / 484

484

5,586 / 6,113

+9.4%*

−5.6

+3,540

CON

390 / 384

.83 / .838

−60 / −62

472 / 474

475

5,286 / 5,329

+0.8%*

−6.3

+3,677

MID

390 / 383

.82 / .831

−61 / −61

467 / 472

472

5,078 / 5,079

0.0%*

−6.8

+3,715

Plus one.
Fuel consumption has definitely been an issue in my experience as well. Someone mentioned that increasing the Fuel bias from P03 to P06 in SimBrief solved most of the problem. I've also tried that without much success.

Edited by Bacsa Attila

3 hours ago, klusik said:

I made some measurements and comparations here, if you want to check, maybe it's helpful: https://forum.inibuilds.com/topic/41833-127-fuel-flow-increased-significantly/#findComment-101882

Unfortunatelly, it does not seem to solve much of the problem for me. Right after setting up the FMS, I got the DEST EFOB warning and was way below the planned fuel profile.

I flew a 13 h flight from RJTT to EKCH. At fuel factor P06 in simbrief, it suggested 91400 kg block fuel. I went for 95000 kg, and vacated the runway with 7000 kg FOB (at my destination on the first approach). In other words, this was about right, and I would probably have been in the drink if I had taken the default simbrief number.

Edited by Gungnir

1 hour ago, Gungnir said:

I flew a 13 h flight from RJTT to EKCH. At fuel factor P06 in simbrief, it suggested 91400 kg block fuel. I went for 95000 kg, and vacated the runway with 7000 kg FOB (at my destination on the first approach). In other words, this was about right, and I would probably have been in the drink if I had taken the default simbrief number.

Eyup :-) I am used to take 30 minutes ATC reserve and 60 minutes Weather reserve anyways on each long flight (if possible), so that probably saved me before :-D

2 hours ago, Bacsa Attila said:

Unfortunatelly, it does not seem to solve much of the problem for me. Right after setting up the FMS, I got the DEST EFOB warning and was way below the planned fuel profile.

It's possible, the fuel factor is just a general number for engine efficiency, nothing else. And it's kinda a workaround, the real fix is either fix the simbrief A350 profiles, or maybe better find why the iniA350 is such eater in 1.2.7 :-)

2 hours ago, Bacsa Attila said:

Unfortunatelly, it does not seem to solve much of the problem for me. Right after setting up the FMS, I got the DEST EFOB warning and was way below the planned fuel profile.

Btw. DEST EFOB right after setting it up, it varies. It needs to have all step climbs programmed and the current winds for ALL flight stages uploaded/filled manually. What the "fuel estimation" by plane itself says? (INIT page, fuel area, you can fill up the number of let the aircraft compute some guess)

8 minutes ago, klusik said:

Btw. DEST EFOB right after setting it up, it varies. It needs to have all step climbs programmed and the current winds for ALL flight stages uploaded/filled manually. What the "fuel estimation" by plane itself says? (INIT page, fuel area, you can fill up the number of let the aircraft compute some guess)

Yup. Step alts added and uploaded the winds via CPNY WIND. Same procedure as before 1.2.7. On the FUEL&LOAD page I set the values according to the OFP and I check that MIN FUEL AT DEST matches the reserve in the plan.

I guess you are right. There will have to be a fix on SimBrief's or iniBuilds' side.

Edited by Bacsa Attila

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