350 cockpit has some incorrect modeling

[SALMI]

If there is a big disappointment with the cockpit modeling, it seems that the gap between the windshield center object and the upper and lower height gap are significantly different than the RW350

[LineDX]

I think ini did pretty good model. I dont see a need to change that. My 2 cents 

[SALMI]

8 hours ago, LineDX said:

I think ini did pretty good model. I dont see a need to change that. My 2 cents 

I respect what you think but I think it needs to be change

[Swisspilot1986]

Salmi, do you have any technical plans with measurements? Only with pictures it's difficuilt to compare what and how many to change. 

[SALMI]

7 minutes ago, Swisspilot1986 said:

Salmi, do you have any technical plans with measurements? Only with pictures it's difficuilt to compare what and how many to change. 

As far as I know, there are real world A350 pilots helping with the development of iniBuilds so the exact measurement for this depends on iniBuilds' efforts I'm just giving feedback

But what's certain is that some of the current iniBuilds 350 cockpit geometry is different from the real thing

[Atul]

I'm fully supportive of inibuilds but I do agree with Salmi in this case. The proportion feels a little bit larger than the real world counterpart and the windshield divider narrower. Had this perception going since developer streams and post release too. Again, my personal perception. 

Edited March 12 by Atul

[tp09]

And this trim piece too. I bought it up once and got a “different perspectives” response. It’s very disappointing that they got all these cabin models but minimal details to attention on flight deck, which you spend 99% of your time.

 

Edited March 14 by tp09

[SALMI]

And the modeling of external cockpit windows is larger than the RW350

[Philipp Seven]

On 3/14/2025 at 10:10 AM, SALMI said:

And the modeling of external cockpit windows is larger than the RW350

 

Your examples are completely untenable. In order to accurately compare the geometry from the photo you need to know: the focal length of the lens, the exact position of the camera relative to the object to the centimeter, the angle of the camera. And accordingly you need to place the camera in a simulator with exactly the same parameters. Which is obviously impossible. Even a small deviation in one of the parameters will distort the geometry very much. 

Edited March 15 by Philipp Seven

[SALMI]

3 hours ago, Philipp Seven said:

Your examples are completely untenable. In order to accurately compare the geometry from the photo you need to know: the focal length of the lens, the exact position of the camera relative to the object to the centimeter, the angle of the camera. And accordingly you need to place the camera in a simulator with exactly the same parameters. Which is obviously impossible. Even a small deviation in one of the parameters will distort the geometry very much. 

 

I'm a graphic designer and I use digital camera often. There could be lens distortion in the simulator but this is definitely a modeling issue

 

[Philipp Seven]

1 hour ago, SALMI said:

 

I'm a graphic designer and I use digital camera often. There could be lens distortion in the simulator but this is definitely a modeling issue

 

I’m a graphic designer as well, and in your examples I can’t confirm any issues. 

[SALMI]

45 minutes ago, Philipp Seven said:

I’m a graphic designer as well, and in your examples I can’t confirm any issues. 

1. ini350 cockpit has a wide gap between the top and bottom of the windshield (Overhead is too high)

2. The middle pillar is thinner than RW350

3. If you look closely at the gif I posted later you can see why these problems are visible

 

I've already noticed that problems from the trailer video  
I understand that inibuilds has already identified the problem and recorded it as feedback

It's serious that you're a graphic designer and you couldn't see that kind of problem (Even 30+ other users found the same issue haha)

[Philipp Seven]

1 hour ago, SALMI said:

It's serious that you're a graphic designer and you couldn't see that kind of problem (Even 30+ other users found the same issue haha)

I'm not saying there isn't a problem. I'm saying that your data is not enough to adequately compare cockpit geometry. You need drawings or measurements for that. 

[SALMI]

23 minutes ago, Philipp Seven said:

I'm not saying there isn't a problem. I'm saying that your data is not enough to adequately compare cockpit geometry. You need drawings or measurements for that. 

As I wrote above getting accurate drawings or measurements depends on the efforts of iniBuilds

[ykeyre]

3 hours ago, Philipp Seven said:

I'm not saying there isn't a problem. I'm saying that your data is not enough to adequately compare cockpit geometry. You need drawings or measurements for that. 

Agree. You cannot guesstimate the actual geometry. You need someone to access the real A350 cockpit and perform accurate measurements.

[Philipp Seven]

Here, I took an alternate screenshot. And you can see that the geometry is quite close to reality. And if there are discrepancies, they are rather insignificant. But I repeat: without accurate data, this is a guesswork.

 

Edited March 16 by Philipp Seven

[SALMI]

37 minutes ago, Philipp Seven said:

Here, I took an alternate screenshot. And you can see that the geometry is quite close to reality. And if there are discrepancies, they are rather insignificant. But I repeat: without accurate data, this is a guesswork.

 

That's what it looks like to you but not to me

But I repeat: that issue has already been added to the feedback list ini but I respect your opinion too

[meynze]

On 3/16/2025 at 2:46 PM, Philipp Seven said:

Here, I took an alternate screenshot. And you can see that the geometry is quite close to reality. And if there are discrepancies, they are rather insignificant. But I repeat: without accurate data, this is a guesswork.

 

Camera angle or focal lenght does not account for things being visible that should be hidden by others. That is basic optics. for instance, on the iniBuilds you can see the curvature of the center top pillar when placing the camera way higher than some shots IRL (no need to have milimeter-accuracy to test this). 

"Viewing angle" maybe part of the explanation, but not the entirety of it. Why don't we notice distorsion on others aircrafts ? This just seems insincere. 

This photo seems close to yours in terms of focal lenght, taken from a bit further behind and you can see something is wrong, windows are too tall.

Edited March 18 by meynze

[JD1]

1. I hope there are more chamfer in the gap between the side window pillar frames

2. Hope to add missing holes