SimHead Posted February 27 Posted February 27 I am yet another customer that purchased this to only find it doesn't work properly. I cannot even complete a single flight with this A/C in 2020. There are many issues that became immediately apparent upon my first flight but I will address the elephant in the room. 1. The entire flight deck freezes after 30-45 mins of flight. This is simply absurd and how it wasn't caught in testing is beyond me. After the FD Avionics freeze the FBW no longer works either. You can fly it like an F16 after it bugs out showing how crazy the FM is. If you would like to test this for yourself just fly it around once it freezes there are no more FBW limits you can roll it inverted and go crazy. 2. The Speed selector knob rarely works it constantly zeros out and jumps between settings when the window is opened. Forget trying to set a climb speed decent approach etc. Mine when I opened the window has shown M. 1-15 as if this is some reasonable setting on the MCP. Nothing like opening the window and seeing M. 4.5 set on an airliner. 3. The FM is so far off in 2020 I don't know where to begin. First off it flys like it is in Direct Law the entire time. In cruise I saw pitch changes of up to 5 degrees because the headwind changed 1 KT. It is like you are flying a paper airplane in the sim when the wind changes at all. When the headwind would change and it would pitch constantly I was checking to see if it was a F/CTRL bug because it looked like someone was pitching the nose up and down violently. A 152 is less disturbed by winds. 4. The cabin? There are freeware A/C that have better cabins. I am fine if it was lower quality but having no walls or anything when you walk past the curtains??? I noticed this was excluded from all the press shots and website images. The entire front lav looks like some one just pressed delete and left it. This is simply crazy I have never seen such a thing on a Payware A/C. 5. Sounds are all kinds of screwed up. The APU on the EXT view is louder then a space shuttle launch and if the gear is down the "wind" noise is so loud it would cause hearing damage to someone 10 miles away. Very disappointed. 2
IBE105G Posted February 27 Posted February 27 I completely agree, I have the same or quite similar problems... mainly the plane freezes when pressing some buttons on the central pedestal, specifically I think it is the VIDEO button and the funniest thing is that while in cruise with the screens frozen, apparently it is flying the route but no... it is flying in circles. On a plane with so much money this is unacceptable!
Top27 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 I agree with you, there are some issues in Fs2020. I have different issues to yours: When I am airborne after takeoff the A/P always runs off I can't even switch any values, they are always switching back. The aircraft does parabelflights like a Zero-G, at least it catches itself up and doesn't crash. And my ears fall off because of many alarms I can not disengage. And yep, the APU is wway too loud. 😞
Came36 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Im having control issues about 1hr into flight. Aileron occilations lead to an uncontrollable state where the AP is throwing the airplane 90 degrees to either side.
Delta_A350 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 yes same. im finding that some things in the cockpit are pinl and not working right
teyyaremakinisti Posted February 27 Posted February 27 It’s a pathetic situation for a £72 product. I'm glad I didn’t buy it, as I suspected that behind inibuilds' flashy visuals, there would be a mediocre product. Thanks to inibuilds for allowing us to start the engine with the IRS off!!! I hope your collaboration with ASOBO fills your pockets even more!!! 1 1
Colly72 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 (edited) None of you have stated if you are using the 2024 Sim update 1 beta. Could that be the problem? Edited February 27 by Colly72 Wrong word used
Colly72 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 I believe EasyJetsimpilot advised that the Sim update 1 should be installed as there could be problems.
teyyaremakinisti Posted February 27 Posted February 27 8 minutes ago, Colly72 said: None of you have stated if you are using the 2024 Sim update 1 beta. Could that be the problem? Bro we use MSFS 2020 not 2024. Do you understand??? 2024 is broken sim who care it!!! 1
Cammac Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Hi, thanks for taking the time to post I will go over each of your points as listed just to keep it becoming from a wall of text. 1) Do you have any specifics of when this happens? As many users are doing 15+ hour flights without issues, which is what we have seen during the testing phase of the aircraft as well. Any route or sequence of events that brought this on? Without the WASM running the effectiveness constants are now not limited by the code so yes the roll rate will be too high and pitch rate is too high this is also present on other aircraft in the sim and will not be adjusted. Comments on handling need to be undertaken in normal law or direct law with of course the code running. 2) Would you also happen to have repo steps for this one? As I have not seen it reported and just checking you are loading in the aircraft with the FUEL AND LOAD page filled as without it the manage modes can’t work as it needs ZFW etc. 3) The FM for both MSFS2020 and MSFS2024 use the new CFD style FM and will be more reactive to wind / weather if you find it too much you can select this setting down in the sim. But this gives more realistic handling across the board and with MSFS 2024 using the new fuselage technology to map that and the engines. The handing in terms of response is correct, the 350 is far more sensitive than other airbus family aircraft. You need almost no flare to land and very small inputs for roll. https://youtu.be/8JjuksTvMRg?t=197 Here you can see a bit of an over flare but still a tiny input https://youtu.be/I3Nnt2d3dt0?t=5115 the 350 is very easy to over control. But don’t take my word for it here is 330Driver saying the same thing as he spent time with a TRI on the 350 to check handling is as expected https://youtu.be/XNTuK-Bi6CY?t=5589 and the explanation check with Pablo about handling https://youtu.be/3cjLdfEfTow?t=5435 4) The cabin in MSFS 2020 was reduced to what you see now and was communicated on the store page under the features section. This is due to the fact the product was made with MSFS 2024 using the new LOD system so giving that level of cabin in 2020 is simply not possible. 5) I will pass this on for the team to check as I did see a logged report of the gear being too loud in MSFS 2020 only.
Cammac Posted February 27 Posted February 27 2 hours ago, Came36 said: Im having control issues about 1hr into flight. Aileron occilations lead to an uncontrollable state where the AP is throwing the airplane 90 degrees to either side. 41 minutes ago, Came36 said: Happened Again This issue seems to be related to the core FPS. If the FPS is as low as video the FCTL and FBW system will not be able to function. I would file a direct support request for this as it will be the root cause. Others are seeing good FPS in the 350 so they should be able to help narrow down what is going on. Thanks
frank_m Posted February 27 Posted February 27 2 hours ago, Came36 said: Im having control issues about 1hr into flight. Aileron occilations lead to an uncontrollable state where the AP is throwing the airplane 90 degrees to either side. From my point of view FPS is far too low in order to achieve a stable simulation.
Cammac Posted February 27 Posted February 27 33 minutes ago, teyyaremakinisti said: It’s a pathetic situation for a £72 product. I'm glad I didn’t buy it, as I suspected that behind inibuilds' flashy visuals, there would be a mediocre product. Thanks to inibuilds for allowing us to start the engine with the IRS off!!! I hope your collaboration with ASOBO fills your pockets even more!!! Engines can be started in the real aircraft with the IRS off as they play no part in engine start. 1
Hope Posted February 27 Posted February 27 2 hours ago, Cammac said: 5) I will pass this on for the team to check as I did see a logged report of the gear being too loud in MSFS 2020 only. I can confirm number 5. Both the APU and then the "gear down" is crazy loud and have to reduce headphone sounds. In addition I find the beacon light in msfs 2020 way too bright. The whole plane flashes red. I don't even want to go to the ouside view unfortunately 😞
Top27 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 I don't want to complain but I think for 90 Euros which I paid in charge, I would expect a full extended manual how the settings in every gauge should be minimum set if you want to fly this "computer" seriously. For pilots who are familiar with the programming of the FMS and all the gauges that are needed it is fine - to get the chain workingfor me it is quite a challenge to get all done. Just because some simmers seem to be fine with it doesn't mean it is for all the same. When I look back in FS98 we had almost all for free and these items were more userfriendly as now. At least there were most extended user Readme's if something was needed to be explained. Not so now...expensive with lesser service. 1
Delta_A350 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 once I get to figure out the airplane, it works. besides the pink checkered stuff on landing gear, rim of cockpit windows, and more. I'm flying from ATL to LAX in the -900 and besides from the pink and having to adjust the heading every 5 seconds, it seems to be working. its the heading that's annoying too though. I always have to change it, unlike the LVFR a330-900neo and other airbus aircraft. the pink is rly annoying though.
SimHead Posted February 28 Author Posted February 28 11 hours ago, Cammac said: Hi, thanks for taking the time to post I will go over each of your points as listed just to keep it becoming from a wall of text. 1) Do you have any specifics of when this happens? As many users are doing 15+ hour flights without issues, which is what we have seen during the testing phase of the aircraft as well. Any route or sequence of events that brought this on? Without the WASM running the effectiveness constants are now not limited by the code so yes the roll rate will be too high and pitch rate is too high this is also present on other aircraft in the sim and will not be adjusted. Comments on handling need to be undertaken in normal law or direct law with of course the code running. 2) Would you also happen to have repo steps for this one? As I have not seen it reported and just checking you are loading in the aircraft with the FUEL AND LOAD page filled as without it the manage modes can’t work as it needs ZFW etc. 3) The FM for both MSFS2020 and MSFS2024 use the new CFD style FM and will be more reactive to wind / weather if you find it too much you can select this setting down in the sim. But this gives more realistic handling across the board and with MSFS 2024 using the new fuselage technology to map that and the engines. The handing in terms of response is correct, the 350 is far more sensitive than other airbus family aircraft. You need almost no flare to land and very small inputs for roll. https://youtu.be/8JjuksTvMRg?t=197 Here you can see a bit of an over flare but still a tiny input https://youtu.be/I3Nnt2d3dt0?t=5115 the 350 is very easy to over control. But don’t take my word for it here is 330Driver saying the same thing as he spent time with a TRI on the 350 to check handling is as expected https://youtu.be/XNTuK-Bi6CY?t=5589 and the explanation check with Pablo about handling https://youtu.be/3cjLdfEfTow?t=5435 4) The cabin in MSFS 2020 was reduced to what you see now and was communicated on the store page under the features section. This is due to the fact the product was made with MSFS 2024 using the new LOD system so giving that level of cabin in 2020 is simply not possible. 5) I will pass this on for the team to check as I did see a logged report of the gear being too loud in MSFS 2020 only. First of all thanks for responding! I will try and reproduce this on the weekend. 1. The reasons for the lock up of the FD/Avionics are unknown. It for sure froze one time due to pushing the Video button. It froze another time as I tried to use the Rotary (SD) on the console which brought up the menu on the bottom of the screen and then the entire FD froze again. The third time the FD locked up it seemed to have something to do with the SPD Knob on the MCP which regardless of if I turned it the numbers wouldn't change (Before the entire deck froze). It was frozen on some High Mach setting. I could pull it but spinning the knob did nothing. 2. To the best of my knowledge I loaded the F&L pages on the OIS. I imported from a Simbrief plan and did the calculations which I then entered into the FMS on all flights. I will try and grab a screen of the High M number if it does it again this weekend. 3. I don't have RW experience on the 350 of course my comments were just leaning towards when the entire flight deck locks up and it flies with what seems like no FBW or Physics anymore. I have no idea how the lockup affects the physics in the sim I just know you can roll it inverted and pull crazy stuff. Clearly the Airbus limits are no longer in play at that point. I still have no explanation for the wind causing so much pitching up and down. It was on a flight between RJTT-RJOA. I had high headwinds but they were gusting 1-2Kts and the nose of the plane was porpoising in such a manner it was if the plane had no mass. I believe I have my MSFS set on low for the turbulence as I know it can get out of hand. 4. I still feel that we should at least get a low res cabin or at least leave the walls and windows.It is nice there are a few windows for shots but it's like you used a no clip cheat. I know you guys already know the Navigraph charts aren't working in 2020. My rig is a 13900K 4090 64Gb of ram so I am not running out or ram etc. I am not using any other mods to the base sim. I will say the external model is beautiful! Between the freezes and the speed window being crazy it just has been unusable for me. I like to do alot of long hauls and yesterday I tried 3 flights and never got to land due to issues.
Came36 Posted February 28 Posted February 28 My system is more than enough to handle the simulation. Performance degrades suddenly when the auto pilot bugs. I submitted a support request a while ago. Also in my first video i show my system specs.
Came36 Posted February 28 Posted February 28 12 hours ago, Cammac said: This issue seems to be related to the core FPS. If the FPS is as low as video the FCTL and FBW system will not be able to function. I would file a direct support request for this as it will be the root cause. Others are seeing good FPS in the 350 so they should be able to help narrow down what is going on. Thanks See above statement forgot to quote it
bigh55 Posted February 28 Posted February 28 14 hours ago, Cammac said: Hi, thanks for taking the time to post I will go over each of your points as listed just to keep it becoming from a wall of text. 1) Do you have any specifics of when this happens? As many users are doing 15+ hour flights without issues, which is what we have seen during the testing phase of the aircraft as well. Any route or sequence of events that brought this on? Without the WASM running the effectiveness constants are now not limited by the code so yes the roll rate will be too high and pitch rate is too high this is also present on other aircraft in the sim and will not be adjusted. Comments on handling need to be undertaken in normal law or direct law with of course the code running. 2) Would you also happen to have repo steps for this one? As I have not seen it reported and just checking you are loading in the aircraft with the FUEL AND LOAD page filled as without it the manage modes can’t work as it needs ZFW etc. 3) The FM for both MSFS2020 and MSFS2024 use the new CFD style FM and will be more reactive to wind / weather if you find it too much you can select this setting down in the sim. But this gives more realistic handling across the board and with MSFS 2024 using the new fuselage technology to map that and the engines. The handing in terms of response is correct, the 350 is far more sensitive than other airbus family aircraft. You need almost no flare to land and very small inputs for roll. https://youtu.be/8JjuksTvMRg?t=197 Here you can see a bit of an over flare but still a tiny input https://youtu.be/I3Nnt2d3dt0?t=5115 the 350 is very easy to over control. But don’t take my word for it here is 330Driver saying the same thing as he spent time with a TRI on the 350 to check handling is as expected https://youtu.be/XNTuK-Bi6CY?t=5589 and the explanation check with Pablo about handling https://youtu.be/3cjLdfEfTow?t=5435 4) The cabin in MSFS 2020 was reduced to what you see now and was communicated on the store page under the features section. This is due to the fact the product was made with MSFS 2024 using the new LOD system so giving that level of cabin in 2020 is simply not possible. 5) I will pass this on for the team to check as I did see a logged report of the gear being too loud in MSFS 2020 only. Sorry but you indicate that there is no crew rest not that there is literally no cabin … it would not be so annoying if you wouldn’t defend it in such a way. The reason why most of us use the 2020 version is the state of the 24 sim. The way in which it was communicated and how you basically blame your customers smells like „come to 24 if you want a feature complete product“.
Emo Jim Posted February 28 Posted February 28 Man, i just bought this plane. I should have read this forum before buying it. I don't even fly 2024 yet becasue it needs so much work and no market place yet!!!!! Anyways, i guess I will just keep this plane and wait a while like i'm doing with 2024 before even installing it. I will keep my eyes open on this forum to make sure all bugs are fixed before I install it. Thanks for all the feedback guys. 😞
Liamjames Posted February 28 Posted February 28 (edited) The main issue I am having which is making the jet unflyable is the pitch vs auto pilot relationship. the rotate feel is gross. The thing leaps off the ground at like 100kts which is crazy. You would have thought they got this part right haha. anyway. On departure I engage Ap1… moments later the jet pitches nose high and the AP goes into protec mode. This cycles continues all the way to top of climb. Even the flight directors seems off. They sit way low and then move erratically nose high. Autopilot doesn’t work at all. anyone had similar issues? (FS2024) Edited February 28 by Liamjames 2
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