A343 question

[foliainfx]

Why did iniBuilds not decide to just make an A340-500 or -600 instead? The A340 you are gonna model has A340-500/600 FBW and avionics. What MTOW and how much range will your version have?

Edited Saturday at 02:24 PM by foliainfx

[stagre]

Hi, as we mentioned in the update this will be an A340-313 model which has a takeoff weight of approximate 276 tons and a range of more than 8,500 miles.

Regarding the choice of a -300 vs. a -500 or -600, while all of them are undeniably cool aircraft the A340-300 was the most popular variant, with more built than all other variants combined and operated by more airlines as well.

[foliainfx]

12 minutes ago, stagre said:

Hi, as we mentioned in the update this will be an A340-313 model which has a takeoff weight of approximate 276 tons and a range of more than 8,500 miles.

Regarding the choice of a -300 vs. a -500 or -600, while all of them are undeniably cool aircraft the A340-300 was the most popular variant, with more built than all other variants combined and operated by more airlines as well.

Yeah just as I thought, so why make an A340-300 with A340-500/600 avionics and FBW? 

[stagre]

19 minutes ago, foliainfx said:

Yeah just as I thought, so why make an A340-300 with A340-500/600 avionics and FBW? 

Why do you think our -300 will have 500/600 avionics? We're modelling the -300 faithfully.

[foliainfx]

44 minutes ago, stagre said:

Why do you think our -300 will have 500/600 avionics? We're modelling the -300 faithfully.

You are modeling an A340-300E, not an A340-300. Or have y'all decided to include fictional operators aswell as fictional variants?

Edited Saturday at 04:35 PM by foliainfx

[stagre]

23 minutes ago, foliainfx said:

You are modeling an A340-300E, not an A340-300. Or have y'all decided to include fictional operators aswell as fictional variants?

The -5C4 engines are not only on the -300E, they were an option from 1995 onwards and ordered by multiple airlines.

Edited Saturday at 04:58 PM by stagre

[foliainfx]

5 minutes ago, stagre said:

The -5C4 engines are not only on the -300E, they were an option from 1995 onwards and ordered by multiple airlines.

I have to ask you to reconsider adding fictional operators and variants, after all this has nothing to do with true to life.

[stagre]

9 minutes ago, foliainfx said:

I have to ask you to reconsider adding fictional operators and variants, after all this has nothing to do with true to life.

Please read what I wrote. The high-thrust -5C4 engines are not exclusive to the -300E, and were available from 1995 onward. The vast majority of A340-300s built are the -313 variant with these engines. As well, the increased 276 ton takeoff weight was also not exclusive to the -300E model, as Air France had this exact configuration on their A340s, which had the older avionics.

Edited Saturday at 05:09 PM by stagre

[foliainfx]

5 minutes ago, stagre said:

Please read what I wrote. The high-thrust -5C4 engines are not exclusive to the -300E, and were available from 1995 onward. The vast majority of A340-300s built are the -313 variant with these engines. As well, the increased 276 ton takeoff weight was also not exclusive to the -300E model, as Air France had this exact configuration on their A340s, which had the older avionics.

Neither have I said that, the -5C4 are also on the A330-200E (taken from the A340-300E) with an MTOW of 275t. The 276.5t MTOW is exclusive to the A340-300E. Nonetheless, why have they decided to include a fictional P2F variant?

[stagre]

4 minutes ago, foliainfx said:

Neither have I said that, the -5C4 are also on the A330-200E (taken from the A340-300E) with an MTOW of 275t. The 276.5t MTOW is exclusive to the A340-300E. Nonetheless, why have they decided to include a fictional P2F variant?

While there are currently no P2F A340-300s, Avensis is currently certifying a P2F conversion for the A343 that has been ordered by USC in Germany. So it will soon be a real world option 🙂 

[foliainfx]

24 minutes ago, stagre said:

While there are currently no P2F A340-300s, Avensis is currently certifying a P2F conversion for the A343 that has been ordered by USC in Germany. So it will soon be a real world option 🙂 

Then the A350 should get the A350F too.. but it didn't

[foliainfx]

@stagre So, the following: The -5C4 engines were on the A340-300E and -200E, not the -300 or -200 which had -5C2 engines. The A343 also had an MTOW of 271t and not 276.5t aswell as a slightly lower range. I do not see why iniBuilds are deciding to "simulate" a freighter version which is 1. not certified and 2. not operated.  So iniBuilds are modeling an A340-300E (its 1. variant)?

Edited Saturday at 06:07 PM by foliainfx

[stagre]

52 minutes ago, foliainfx said:

@stagre So, the following: The -5C4 engines were on the A340-300E and -200E, not the -300 or -200 which had -5C2 engines. The A343 also had an MTOW of 271t and not 276.5t aswell as a slightly lower range. I do not see why iniBuilds are deciding to "simulate" a freighter version which is 1. not certified and 2. not operated.  So iniBuilds are modeling an A340-300E (its 1. variant)?

Can you link a source saying the -5C4 engines were only available on the A340-300E? The -5C2, -5C3, and -5C4 engines were all options on prior versions of the A340 going as far back as 1995. For example, 9K-ANB is an A340-313 (-313 in the suffix denoting the -5C4 engine) was delivered in March of 1995. The first -313E was delivered as ZS-SXA in 2003.

MTOW was also optionable by the airline, and while it's harder to find data on the specific MTOW of specific airframes, the Type certificate data sheet for the A340 specifies that the maximum takeoff mass of the A340-313 is 276.5t.

 

Edited Saturday at 06:53 PM by stagre

[foliainfx]

37 minutes ago, stagre said:

Can you link a source saying the -5C4 engines were only available on the A340-300E? The -5C2, -5C3, and -5C4 engines were all options on prior versions of the A340 going as far back as 1995. For example, 9K-ANB is an A340-313 (-313 in the suffix denoting the -5C4 engine) was delivered in March of 1995. The first -313E was delivered as ZS-SXA in 2003.

MTOW was also optionable by the airline, and while it's harder to find data on the specific MTOW of specific airframes, the Type certificate data sheet for the A340 specifies that the maximum takeoff mass of the A340-313 is 276.5t.

 

Ah, I found why and probably where the confusion comes from: 9K-ANB does have the -5C4 engines but it's a different MTOW. The -5C4 was indeed present before the A340-300E (271t initially) was introduced, but since the A340-300E featured a higher MTOW which aircraft like 9K-ANB didn't. The -5C4 engine was certified for the A340 in November 1994, but for lower MTOW versions which in 1994 was 257t. Since you are simulating a very high MTOW A340 (276.5t) I assumed you were hence modeling the A340-300E due to the even higher MTOW.

Edited Saturday at 07:25 PM by foliainfx