Inaccurate Wing Modelling

[BetrWingmodels]

Sorry in advance for the long post.

 

I must say, I cannot stop flying the A300 and I thank the Inibuilds team for blessing us airliner boys and girls with our first, high fidelity heavy, albeit the smallest one to ever exist lol

 

I was and still am not a fan of the A310 for the same reason as to why I do not fly the Asobo/FBW A320N. The wings make it look like a toy. I know some will agree while others will think it isn't an issue big enough not to fly it but...it really breaks the immersion for me.

 

To a lessor extent, the fabulous A300-600R is just that. Amazing to fly. Everything is extremely well done and it brings so much satisfaction during and after completing a flight. While taxiing, unlike the Headwind A339 and LatinVFR A321s (to a lessor extent, the PMDG 737 and Fenix A320), the main bogeys actually pivot on it's axle and does not slide while turning a corner (another deal breaker for me). BUT...two issue with the Inibuilds A300.

 

1. The underside of the wings is not modelled correctly. The underside of the wings of the real aircraft is pretty straight and curves up slightly towards the trailing edge while the Inibuilds wings are extremely rounded and slopes downwards until the mid-section. This give it a chunky appearance and isn't pleasant to watch when knowing it isn't how the real aircraft is designed.

 

2. Flap 15 in the real aircraft sits flush with the entire wings when viewing the plane from behind. The Inibuilds model droops to the point that it angles away from the wings but it is supposed to be straight/flush with the wings. 

 

I wanted to know if there is a limitation when it comes to modelling the wings for airliners in MSFS. I ask because it isn't just Inibuilds. Asobo's A320 is by far the worst I have ever seen. Hideous to look at. The Horizon Simulations being based on the Asobo modelling (not their responsibility) has the same issue as the Inibuilds A300. The underside of the wings beyond the e line pylon is supposed to slope ever so slightly and then straighted by the midsection and slope gently back up towards the trailing edge flaps. Yet it just slopes downwards, creating a bulbous, toy-plane sort of wing.

 

I apologise if any takes offence due to not caring about the aesthetics of virtual planes. I have been an aviation needed since aged 2 so to say that commercial aviation is a passion is an understatement. I know some others don't care for external views and would be content buying a flightdeck-only aircraft addon if they had the option but I would just like to know if anyone else sees what I see and whether these bulky wings can be addressed in a future update.

 

 

Finally, I am a tad bit nervous about the upcoming A350's and A380. I know modelling is a very difficult task but I just hope that Inibuilds will improve on their wing modelling and produce like-for-like A350/A380 wings which represent how they appear in real life.

 

I would have though the landing gear would be the most difficult thing to model. There are many pictures to reference when it comes to how the wings of an airliner is shaped. Airbus is known for the dramatic slope of the top of the wings between the fuselage and the engine pylon whereas Boeing's are far less pronounced. Anyways, sorry again for the long post. I haven't seen any other posts in the entire community about the inaccurate wing models so maybe I am the only one who cares. Hope not lol.

[DizzyG3015]

I do not own the a300 and I do not know a lot about the real life a300 but judging from the a320neo and the a310 I would say it is absolutely possible you are right. The a310 wings look ok, but the wingtip fences are quite flawed. Worst for me are the 320neo sharklets. They butchered them, they do not look good and accurate at all. I can accept that because both are freeware. But to hear this about the 300 worries me. They better not massacre the beautiful 380 and 350 wings.

[LNOSS]

+1

A310 wing is way off. Told them several times. 

A300, is better. But got it flaws

A320NEO. wing, flaps, spoiler is way off also. Should look onto the Fenix wich is perfect!

I hope they buckle up for A350 and A380. It has to be made right!

Edited March 25 by LNOSS

[BetrWingmodels]

On 3/25/2024 at 9:28 PM, DizzyG3015 said:

but judging from the a320neo and the a310 I would say it is absolutely possible you are right. The a310 wings look ok, but the wingtip fences are quite flawed. Worst for me are the 320neo sharklets. They butchered them, they do not look good and accurate at all. I can accept that because both are freeware. But to hear this about the 300 worries me. They better not massacre the beautiful 380 and 350 wings.

No doubt, the team who make up Inibuilds are by far some of the best sim developers since they produce high quality airports and aircraft. I think they are still getting better and better with each addon. Eg: when comparing the wings of the A310 and A300, massive improvements and I urge you to check out some pictures via Google to use as reference so you can see how thing the A310's wings are irl compared to their virtual version. While the A300 is not as bulbous, it still looks chunky since the underside continues to slope downwards when viewed head-on. When you look at videos and pictures from the same angle, you can only see the bottom of the leading edge and not the entire underside of the wing. 

 

But I have a ton of faith in them and believe they will get the A380's and A350's wings done perfectly. Cannot wait.

[BetrWingmodels]

On 3/25/2024 at 11:01 PM, LNOSS said:

+1

A310 wing is way off. Told them several times. 

A300, is better. But got it flaws

A320NEO. wing, flaps, spoiler is way off also. Should look onto the Fenix wich is perfect!

I hope they buckle up for A350 and A380. It has to be made right!

So relieved to know that other see what I see and agree. 

 

I didn't want to elaborate on the A300's Flap Track Fairings as my op was already super long buy I will like to add that, in the real plane, the FTFs upon deploying the flaps, move before the flaps extend and vice-versa when storing the flaps, the FTFs stay dormant until the flaps are stowed. The Inibuilds aircraft has the FTFs moving with the flaps.

 

Again, not a deal breaker but it does take away from the realism aspect.

 

I too really hope that they are able to match the level of visual/aesthetic and mechanical detail as the likes of PMDG and Fenix bc Inibuilds sure have the flight dynamics down to the T. 

[unhinged_aviator]

Well, why don't you send them drawings and 3D models of the corrected wing?

Seems like you have a lot of time on your hands.

[BetrWingmodels]

On 4/2/2024 at 3:42 AM, unhinged_aviator said:

Well, why don't you send them drawings and 3D models of the corrected wing?

Seems like you have a lot of time on your hands.

1. You seem offended. May I ask why?

2. So your ideology is; if someone is not capable or skilled in a particular field or industry, they are not qualified or permitted to make observations as to how something can be better? Doesn't make much sense especially when you can think of many times you have been critical about a product which you paid for and knew that you were entitled to do so despite not being able to create that product yourself.

3. Can you please quote what I wrote that gave you the impression that I have a lot of time on my hands?

4. Finally, I did not insult anyone so what possessed you to insult me? I paid for this aircraft and like any paid product, the consumer has a right to give positive feedback and constructive criticism. Why is it within the world of online flight simulation, (exclusively on the Microsoft side of things and less so on X-Plane), members such as yourself take such offence to other members making warrented criticism? Sir, the wings are inaccurate modelled. That is not to take away from the excellent work the Inibuilds team has done, it is simply a correct observation. If you are happy with inaccurate modelling, either flight dynamics or aesthetics of a virtual plane, that is fine. But if someone else has an issue and it is indeed correct, that too is fine.

 

I hope you are able to reply and be civilised, articulating your point of view without further insults and jabs. I am interested to understanding what it is you should be capable of explaining in a mature manner.

[BetrWingmodels]

On 4/2/2024 at 3:42 AM, unhinged_aviator said:

Well, why don't you send them drawings and 3D models of the corrected wing?

I'd just like to add, drawings and 3D models mean nothing when there are hundreds of videos and pictures showcasing the real A300/A310's wings on Google alone. Let's say I used Autocad to recreate the wings of the A300 and not the blueprint of buildings my wife draws...they could still be inaccurate, couldn't they? 

 

Do me a favour before you reply; can you load up the A300 and A310 in MSFS, pan the external camera to the front of the aircraft, leveled with the nose/flightdeck and find real life pictures of the aircraft from the same perspective and tell me if you can see the underside of the wings on Google.

 

Then, pan the external camera to the side of the A310/A300 on MSFS and pay close attention to the engine pylon where it meets the underside of the wing. Find picture of these aircraft in the same perspective and tell me you don't notice the Inibuilds engine pylons craved far more prominent than the slight curve in real life.

 

I look forward to your articulate and measured response.

Edited April 5 by BetrWingmodels
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[BetrWingmodels]

BTW, The Asobo/Horizon Simulations B787 suffers from this immesnely and is the second worst example behind the Asobo/FBW A320 which looks appalling and has by far the worst wing modelling. The wings are horrendously bullbous. When you compare the Asobo/HS B787 with the PMDG B737 and B777, you can see the differences and how Boeing/PMDG straightens the underside of the wings beyond the engine pylon. Airbus does the same. Compare the Asobo/FBW A320 with the Fenix or even the LatinVFR (say what you want about the flight dynamics, they at least got the modelling done correctly). The cross section changes the further along the wings you go which some developers either forgetto do or just cannot be bothered to recreate. When it comes to freeware, I do not care but this is something every Payware airliner should have...accurate modelling of both the flight dynamics and aesthetics since people are paying to experience an accurate simulation.

[unhinged_aviator]

Holy moly, I was right. You have a lot of time on your hands.

You can spend that time by modelling the wings and sending them to Ini. 

Look forward to the update with your corrected wing mod.

[LukeFF]

10 hours ago, BetrWingmodels said:

drawings and 3D models mean nothing

Oh my word...drawings, blueprints, etc., are everything when it comes to building a 3D aircraft model. No serious developer is going to build one without them. 

Edited April 5 by LukeFF

[BetrWingmodels]

Pretty typical response of somebody who's life does not fulfil them. I take it you cannot type very fast. You also seem very jaded amd angry enough to attempt to make others feel as bitter as you do.

 

It is a shame that you are incapable of behaving civilised and speaking with others in a manner that you yourself would like to be spoken too but such is the behaviour of many within the flight simulator community. 

 

Hope your life gets better bud. Best of luck.

[BetrWingmodels]

On 4/5/2024 at 9:42 PM, LukeFF said:

Oh my word...drawings, blueprints, etc., are everything when it comes to building a 3D aircraft model. No serious developer is going to build one without them. 

When you isolate this quote of mine from the overall comment I made, sure...it will appear as though I meant that blueprints have no effect on the replication and modelling of a virtual vehicle...

 

However within it's context, anyone who has an ounce of common sense and ability to take in someone point could be able to tell that I am saying that pictures and videos are more than good enough for the naked eye to tell the stark difference in an inaccurate model against the object it is supposed to take after.

 

Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? Also may I ask whether or not you can see that the A300's wings are inaccurate or not instead of you taking something completely out of context and using it to channel negativity? Where did the nice people in this community run off to? Lol

[BetrWingmodels]

On 4/5/2024 at 4:57 PM, unhinged_aviator said:

You can spend that time by modelling the wings and sending them to Ini. 

Look forward to the update with your corrected wing mod.

Wait...noooo. You are the person who modeled the wings inaccurately? You are!!! Why else would you expect me to send you my own "blueprints" to you or expect to be privy to them if you advised me to send them to Inibuilds? What an odd thing to say...why else would you be so offended?

 

This is a major issue amongst some people who make products nowadays. Absolutely zero ability to take on constructive criticism. Everything equates to "hating" somehow lmao. 

 

Facts are facts and anyone with eyes can see a massive difference to how the likes of PMDG/Fenix gets the wings of the a/c they model done perfectly vs what Inibuilds have done with their A310, A300 and now even their A320N, Headwinds A330-900 and Horizon Simulations B787's.

 

But...sure. Remain ignorant and egotistical. Don't strive for improvement. Keep the creating fat, thick wings because why on earth make it represent the real thing, right? Why not make the engines shorter amd the landing gear bigger lol

 

 

[BetrWingmodels]

Such a crying shame how certain entitles behave within this community. They would rather insult and try to shame someone for pointing out things which can improve rather than take constructive criticism on board so we can all have better products.

 

Take care fellas and if the A350 and A380 isn't modelled correctly either, I will not be purchasing along with a small minority it seems.

[BetrWingmodels]

On 4/5/2024 at 4:57 PM, unhinged_aviator said:

Holy moly, I was right. You have a lot of time on your hands.

Says the one who replies on the same day. The way certain types of individuals will project their reality onto others instead of staying on topic is disheartening. 

 

Would have loved to debate with you on the topic of discussion but you would rather take it personal. My goodness 🙂

[BetrWingmodels]