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Hey man. May I recommend that you find like-for-like pictures for each comparison? You've got real pictures where the speedbrakes are deployed while in sim, the speedbrake is not. I suggest this bc even when I shared real world pictures along with their identical angle and everything in the sim, I still had people complaining that it was not perfect comparisons and that I used a phone instead of taking a screenshot lol smh. Above is a link to a fairly recent post regarding Inibuilds aircraft. I decided to share the links to all of my posts regarding the wings of the A300, A320N and A350. Check them out when you can. Finally, from the pictures you provided, I can see that the flap track fairings should be a little bigger perhaps. If you can, add more pictures please. I will check later on YT while in the sim.

Got a response from Eddie from Inibuilds who has informed me that he has indeed passed my feedback along. Inibuilds has so much potential. The sound is almost perfect and if it never gets any improvement, I will still love it (high end spool/between 50 and 70 %N1 losses that scream but the roar above 70% and the initial spool up to 40% is perfect for me. Everything about the systems, I love. Even prior to the updates. Now it is even better. My frustration with Inibuilds comes from understanding how good they are. If they can get the modelling improved to mirror the real aircraft, imho, once they correct the wings and horizontal stabilizer of the A350, that plane will become my No.1, pushing my beloved B77W to second place until Boris finally blesses us with perfect, superior soundpacks. Anyway, glad it's not the A340-600 with inaccurate external modelling otherwise I'd cry.

Just to recap. 1. When one glances at the side profile of the leading edge slats of a real Airbus airliner, one can clearly see they are rounded and sloped at the top but the lower part has a sharper curve before moving aft towards the trailing edge. The A350 is no exception: sharper corner below, easy long slope above -LEADING EGDE 2. The underside of the real A350 has far less curvature than Inibuilds modelled -UNDER WINGS 3. Horizontal stab is just thick for no reason. 4. One thing I forgot to mention is, the A350's wings do not droop to the naked eye. If it does, it is ever so slight. This is because, despite the super long wings, it is ridged unlike the wings of the 777 for example. Check out for yourselves. Yet, PMDG charges around the same and gets the wings thin and shallow, with Sharpe leading edge just like real life. Fenix did the same and got the trademark Airbus leading edge correct. It isn't only Inibuilds who have and does this regardless of the naked eye easily spotting the discrepancies between real life aircraft and what they created. Horizon Sim, FBW (A320 only as A380 is modelled perfectly, showcasing that FBW addressed it by listened to their customers). Headwind is another. Asobo is the worst of them all. How some people still flew their 320 NEO is beyond me. I hope Inibuilds understand that the wings of high fidelity a/c in a "Flight Simulator" should mirror real life as this is why we are all here. Aviation requires wings to get airborne and a means to propel it to sustain flight. The wings on theese moden day airliners are aviation ART. They are part of why we fell in love with aviation. Why butcher the wings of your own aircraft, release after release? . As of now, I'd still uninstall and get a refund if I could but I am hopeful that this developer will eventually upgrade their dev team and in order to obtain capabilities that match the amount their product pricing because Inibuilds has potential to rival Fenix and PMDG but whatever caused them to miss the mark THEY advertised to us by releasing with so many bugs and the sub-par external modelling is why I will not dare purchase another plane or airport until the next aircraft they release has addressed these concerns.

I can tell that the wing modelling of the A350 is far better modelled than their A300 and A310 however, it is just as bad as their A320. I Love their system modelling but the plane is far too unstable on approach. I could live with that. What I cannot live with is the fact the plane has not been modelled correctly. Look at the landing gear. It is supposed to be more spaced out. Look at the horizontal tail stabilizer. They even made that thicc as hell and I cannot for the life of me fathom WHY?

Can someone clarify what references iniBuilds is using for their wing modeling? The discrepancies in their A350, A300, A310, and A320 models are significant. The leading-edge slats are excessively rounded and thickened, creating a steep slope where they meet the engine pylon—unlike the real aircraft, where this transition is much shallower. In reality, the pylon sits almost straight under the wing before slightly sloping upward near the trailing edge. However, iniBuilds’ models exaggerate the curvature of the wing’s underside, making their aircraft appear toy-like. This issue persists across all their planes, despite them being paid products. A direct comparison highlights the problem: on real aircraft, the underside of the wings flattens progressively from the wing root to the tips, making the lower surface less visible as it extends outward. iniBuilds’ interpretation causes the wings to appear thicker than they should be, misrepresenting the correct aerodynamic shape. Why has this inaccuracy been overlooked?

"I was so looking forward to their A350 and A380 but I now have zero faith that they care or are skilled enough to get the most important attribute of an aircraft modelled correctly." This would have aged well had I not bought the thing. Flies really, really well and feels heavy, unlike the PMDG 777 but everytime I switch to external view I feel sad. Why can't inibuilds or why do they refuse to accurately model the wings and why don't more simmers speak up about this. Surely the wings of an aircraft is one of the main allure of our passion for aviation, right?

Good find. A while back, I made a post regarding the poorly designed wings of their A310, A300 and A320 NEO; rounded leading edge + too much curve under the wings which you can notice by looking at the line where the engine pylon mates to the wing, and compare sim to rl. I was hoping that Inibuilds would have improved upon their craft and produced accurate wing modelling for their 350 comparible to PMDG and Fenix's spot on renditions (especially since they charged similar prices to those two devs). Their aircraft are always nice to fly but after the novelty wears off, I never revisit them like I do the PM 73, 77 and Fnx 32 since Ini wings make them look toy-like.

It would help if you doublechecked yourself my friend. You do not need to reply on what another person provides. You are well equipped yourself to say, "hold on, let me check for myself", and actually spot exactly how horrid Inibuilds are modelling their wings. I do not mean to come across rude towards you but...perhaps I do not have the time and do not feel the need to invest in means to produce high quality screenshots of in-sim-footage. I have tried using the screenshot key on the keyboard but the outcome is always over saturated so I just gave up and decided to use a phone for ease of life. That said, come on....you can see clearly just like everyone else that the wings are atrocious. Had this A320N been the first, I wouldn't be disappointed. This is their THIRD plane...and still cannot get the modelling correct? *sigh* I was so looking forward to their A350 and A380 but I now have zero faith that they care or are skilled enough to get the most important attribute of an aircraft modelled correctly. I just needed to let the "where is your proof" folk in the Microsoft side of flight simming that the bulky, chunky wings from Inibuilds, Asobo, Headwind and Horizon Simulations are indeed real, unnecessary and hideous and all it takes is to load up one's sim, choose the Ini A310, A300, A320 (ini and fbw), Headwinds A339 and Horizons 787 then find real world pics of these a/c on one's phone and start identifying the major and easy to spot differences. 15 years ago, most of us passionate simmers were just grateful to have certain aircraft and were willing to ignore certain inaccuracies. It is 2024, how are some developers still giving us models which look like toy planes you can buy in a market with the chunky wings they are recreating. That is all I have to say on this topic. At least other real aviation enthusiast can now find a post or two on the dreadful bulky wings and inaccurate flap movement and know they are not imagining things even if the majority of flight simmers are too braindead, too young or too casual to notice or care.

1. That's good that you agree. But why not focus on that instead of taking my original posts as disrespectful? 2. "Too many"? Well, I tried via a previous post on this forum to get the attention of both Inibuilds and other consumers, without any pictures and was told to provide blueprints in very sparky, dismissive and rude tones in their responses. 3. I have come to learn over the past 15 years among Microsoft Flight sim communities that even when you make a short post and come across polite, the lowlifes always find a way to belittle and be rude towards you. So I am already prepared given my previous post on the Inibuilds forum was met with mostly rude comments all due to myself identifying a major flaw in the aesthetics of the Inibuilds aircrafts. Eventually, even the kindest person could become salty after many times trying to initiate or engage in polite discussion where there may be a difference of opinion and immediately be insulted or talked down to. I have had enough. Part of my saltiness also does come from the inability or lack or care from a dev I was becoming very fond of, proceeding to create these imaginary wings which the real life planes they are recreating do not have. So please don't be offended or be affected by my tone. It clearly was not directed at you. Just the devs and people like that other guy who responded claiming photos, screenshots and working eyeballs cannot spot faults.

This was disheartening to read. You confirmed that some adult human beings cannot process what anyone's working eyes can see. Pictures don't mean anything? Not useful? You cannot tell that Fenix got the wings modelled perfectly to the real plane while inibuilds did not? You watched pics which I provided.........and have or at least, should have the capabilities to go ahead and perform your own test to double check...yet will watch clear evidence showcasing how different, inaccurate and terrible the inibuilds wings are modelled on their A310 (the worse by a mile and on par with the FBW/Asobo A320), their A300 and now yet again, their A320?, At this point, I can bet the price of the A350 and A380 from Inibuilds to have misshaped wings also as this is plane No.3 and no improvement from them, and bc no FSim consumer has the time or effort to go as far as to scour the Internet or approach Airbus for "3D models", somehow we should accept the lack of effort on the part of a developer who charges for their addons and tell anyone who notices room for improvement that their eyes recieves them. That is what you're saying right? If you don't find my pictures/screenshots enough proof why don't you check for yourself? I'm so confused by this response.

Images of the real A300. Notice how the underside of the wings does not continue to slope down. How am I the only one, including the Inibuilds devs, whose eyes and brain work well enough to spot the massive difference. At this point, I doubt the passion some claim to have for aviation.

Fenix vs Inibuilds wings

How? How can anyone claim to love commercial aviation enough and not be able to see how horrid the wings of Inibuilds are being modelled? Look at this comparison of the Ini A320 vs the Fenix A320. How is someone being paid to butcher the wings like this? So you take up modelling virtual airliners as a career choice and just forget to double check whether or not the plane represented it's real world counterpart accurate or is it only about how it flies and I should not caré if the plane looks like the real thing?

Says the one who replies on the same day. The way certain types of individuals will project their reality onto others instead of staying on topic is disheartening. Would have loved to debate with you on the topic of discussion but you would rather take it personal. My goodness 🙂

Such a crying shame how certain entitles behave within this community. They would rather insult and try to shame someone for pointing out things which can improve rather than take constructive criticism on board so we can all have better products. Take care fellas and if the A350 and A380 isn't modelled correctly either, I will not be purchasing along with a small minority it seems.

Wait...noooo. You are the person who modeled the wings inaccurately? You are!!! Why else would you expect me to send you my own "blueprints" to you or expect to be privy to them if you advised me to send them to Inibuilds? What an odd thing to say...why else would you be so offended? This is a major issue amongst some people who make products nowadays. Absolutely zero ability to take on constructive criticism. Everything equates to "hating" somehow lmao. Facts are facts and anyone with eyes can see a massive difference to how the likes of PMDG/Fenix gets the wings of the a/c they model done perfectly vs what Inibuilds have done with their A310, A300 and now even their A320N, Headwinds A330-900 and Horizon Simulations B787's. But...sure. Remain ignorant and egotistical. Don't strive for improvement. Keep the creating fat, thick wings because why on earth make it represent the real thing, right? Why not make the engines shorter amd the landing gear bigger lol

When you isolate this quote of mine from the overall comment I made, sure...it will appear as though I meant that blueprints have no effect on the replication and modelling of a virtual vehicle... However within it's context, anyone who has an ounce of common sense and ability to take in someone point could be able to tell that I am saying that pictures and videos are more than good enough for the naked eye to tell the stark difference in an inaccurate model against the object it is supposed to take after. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? Also may I ask whether or not you can see that the A300's wings are inaccurate or not instead of you taking something completely out of context and using it to channel negativity? Where did the nice people in this community run off to? Lol

Pretty typical response of somebody who's life does not fulfil them. I take it you cannot type very fast. You also seem very jaded amd angry enough to attempt to make others feel as bitter as you do. It is a shame that you are incapable of behaving civilised and speaking with others in a manner that you yourself would like to be spoken too but such is the behaviour of many within the flight simulator community. Hope your life gets better bud. Best of luck.

BTW, The Asobo/Horizon Simulations B787 suffers from this immesnely and is the second worst example behind the Asobo/FBW A320 which looks appalling and has by far the worst wing modelling. The wings are horrendously bullbous. When you compare the Asobo/HS B787 with the PMDG B737 and B777, you can see the differences and how Boeing/PMDG straightens the underside of the wings beyond the engine pylon. Airbus does the same. Compare the Asobo/FBW A320 with the Fenix or even the LatinVFR (say what you want about the flight dynamics, they at least got the modelling done correctly). The cross section changes the further along the wings you go which some developers either forgetto do or just cannot be bothered to recreate. When it comes to freeware, I do not care but this is something every Payware airliner should have...accurate modelling of both the flight dynamics and aesthetics since people are paying to experience an accurate simulation.

I'd just like to add, drawings and 3D models mean nothing when there are hundreds of videos and pictures showcasing the real A300/A310's wings on Google alone. Let's say I used Autocad to recreate the wings of the A300 and not the blueprint of buildings my wife draws...they could still be inaccurate, couldn't they? Do me a favour before you reply; can you load up the A300 and A310 in MSFS, pan the external camera to the front of the aircraft, leveled with the nose/flightdeck and find real life pictures of the aircraft from the same perspective and tell me if you can see the underside of the wings on Google. Then, pan the external camera to the side of the A310/A300 on MSFS and pay close attention to the engine pylon where it meets the underside of the wing. Find picture of these aircraft in the same perspective and tell me you don't notice the Inibuilds engine pylons craved far more prominent than the slight curve in real life. I look forward to your articulate and measured response.